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Mission "Defragmentation"

Started by: boner | Date 06/21/07 01:39:21 PM
Comments: 26 | Last Comment:  11/12/07 10:38:02 PM

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I'm not sure why you're not specifying the software used - maybe I'm overlooking them in your Testbed but it's obviously Diskeeper of some flavor or another. Regardless the software is a variable that is unaccounted for without testing any competing defragmenters out there. Granted, Diskeeper technology is what's embedded into Windows - and I love its full-fledged products - but it's still a variable here.
[Posted by: boner | Date: 06/21/07 01:39:21 PM]
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Windows' built-in disk defragmenter really doesn't work well, especially for heavily fragmented drives -- my main storage drive for a few years, an old Maxtor DiamondMax 740, was so badly fragmented that it not only put your testbed to shame but couldn't even be disentangled by Windows' defragmenter.

Actually one thing I would like to see, especially from a more or less independent source like X-Bit Labs, is a shootout of defragmenter programs. I've tried Windows' built-in, Diskeeper v7 through 10, Raxco Perfect Disk, and O&O Defrag. In my experience, with nearly-full and extremely fragmented drives, O&O performed best out of that group -- but an independent test would be really nice.
[Posted by: Jim | Date: 06/21/07 08:15:14 PM]
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I was shocked by the difference NCQ made. Thanks for the great objective test!
[Posted by: nvfirewall | Date: 06/21/07 08:18:53 PM]

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NCQ gives better performance only when many processes uses the same disk simultaneously. Disk defragmenters have one process for disk, so enabling NCQ doesn't make difference.
[Posted by: hary | Date: 06/22/07 12:27:11 AM]
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Good article. It was quite a surprise to see my OS HDD at the bottom of the list. Not that it needs much defragmenting but still.

I would like to see Raxco PerfectDisk tests myself as that has been used in pretty much all the companies I have worked for.

Not really sure if there is any valid reason to make a "defragmenter speed shootouts" as the defragmenting end results are different. Other aspects of the different programs might on the other hand be interesting.
[Posted by: Lemur | Date: 06/22/07 03:07:48 AM]

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You should have added a SSD to the comparison !
[Posted by: Olivier | Date: 06/22/07 08:42:38 AM]
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Slightly off-topic comment:

In my experience, if the first pass of defragmentation doesn't give perfect results (as shown on page 2), another pass will deliver a perfect result, and this second pass will be much faster.
[Posted by: BernardP | Date: 06/22/07 11:49:41 AM]
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In my experience both defrag and virus detection software scans of the HD give a pretty good indication of real world HD performance.

I've never been happy with the data reliability on S-ATA drives so I stick with traditional 15K SCSI drives and get excellent performance and reliability. Yeah you pay a little more, but to me it's worth it to NOT have to reconstruct the data from a POS HD that takes a dive.

The new serial SCSI's, (SAS), data reliability remains to be determined. The reason serial SCSI drives are being hyped is the reduced production cost - same as S-ATA drives.
[Posted by: Jorge | Date: 06/24/07 10:50:49 AM]

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Why didn't you test all the disks that support low noise mode?
[Posted by: Mastrom | Date: 06/25/07 03:29:10 AM]

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Defrag ? I never do that !

Oh ! but wait ! That's only for windoze users !!!

Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah aha ha hahahah ahahahahahha !!!
[Posted by: Bob the bad guy | Date: 06/26/07 05:14:59 AM]
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Disk defragmentation is a terrible test of NCQ. The program is trying to make sure that what it does, is done safely. For this, it waits for each IO to complete before issuing another. Therefore no Queue buildup occurs on the drives.

NCQ will only have an effect if the number of IOs issues independently exceeds the rate at which the drive can satisfy them in the order they are issued.

I expect Xbitlabs' clever guys to know simple stuff like this. I like to refer people to this site because of its general good quality of articles compared to some other sites that I won't name but are very popular despite all the misinformation they spread as fact.
[Posted by: Jo | Date: 06/27/07 07:35:22 AM]
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not bad big surprise in the NCQ on tests but i think you should have atleast compared the top 3 defragmentation programs as we all know that the proggy's that windows comes with are usualy cut rate versions of the real thing o&o , executive software and perfect disk all have very fast algorithyms now that leave the dusty old version of defrag in windows for dead
[Posted by: Athlonite | Date: 06/29/07 04:15:32 AM]

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After googling, I found some information here on Diskeeper blog about NCQ and fragmentaion.

http://www.diskeeperblog.com/archives/2007/08/sata_ncq_and di_1.html

Maybe this will throw some light on the subjec of NCQ and fragmentation.
[Posted by: DonkeyKong | Date: 08/10/07 09:23:25 AM]

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Useful review ---- I would like to see these sort of tests
[Posted by: Arif | Date: 09/30/07 12:51:18 AM]

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gooooood........
[Posted by: andre didgo | Date: 11/12/07 10:38:02 PM]

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