AMD is way too slow to make tweaks and enhancements to their products... take for example A64 and X2... it took them years (almost 5 yrs?!? give or take) to ramp up speed from 2ghz to 3ghz...

with the phenom design still buggy... and their 65nm SOI isnt working as they expected.... it may take a year or two to see the actual potential of the Phenom... even AMD's 45nm processing will definitely be delayed with the way they are progressing....

Nehalem on the other hand... will still get its roots from the CORE 2 architecture except for the integrate memory controllers.... the CORE 2 is showing great potentials in 45nm....

if intel gets their memory controller right... it will blow away AMD's advantage on most memory bandwdth benchmarks... and it might level the playing field on the server side....


but still the CORE 2 based XEONS are already blowing up smoke on the new opteron's a$$....

The K8 core is very old and a new processor beating it is what to be expected. People need to understand that old hardware will be slower than the new hardware. Also AMD is spreading their resources too thin and their employees seem to be assholes or the executitives are providing a bad work environment for the employees.

AMD goes for the performance rating rather than increasing the clock. Increasing the clock just adds more heat.

Sure smaller micro level does better with clock, but you do not see faster clocked processors for each smaller scale that the processor manufactures convert to. Intel rarely optimize their processors for each scale. They just keep going smaller.

quote: AMD goes for the performance rating rather than increasing the clock.


that is crap... clock speed is still a major factor in chip performance... AMD goes performance rating?!? the Phenom X2s have been benchmarked and they are barely better than A64 X2s clock per clock.... you call that performance rating?!? It's actually called pathetic...

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=622388

Say what you want to say. These days is all about performance ratings not clock.

Ok fine... they suck on performance ratings!!

That's exactly what they mean. Lynnfield and Havendale will come after Nahalem.

"Intel including a graphic controller will introduce more problems such as heat. "


What kind of crack are you using?!? since when did a system with integrated graphics ever get hotter than a system with discrete graphics cards?!?

the answer idiot is none!!! most laptops are even installed with built-in graphics because they only require low power! Integrated graphics wasn't desgined for intensive 3d applications! Even those from ATI solutions for cheap AMD laptops (like X1250) actually suck!!!

besides who in the right mind uses a 3D application on a low-end integrated solution when its know that they can't handle it?!? Oh... yah... that would be only you!!

I do not use integrated graphics. I use discrete graphics for my notebook. People are jealous that it can get 5 to 6 hours on battery. Though both ATI and nVidia provides better integrated graphics than Intel ever has to offer.

There are a lot of idiots still run 3D on a integrated graphic chipset. Yes they get hot. You need to go to a real reviewer instead of some lame game reviewer that just came out of a grade school.

>>> You need to go to a real reviewer instead of some lame game reviewer that just came out of a grade school.

you're full of crap... a real reviewer?!? show us those real reviews you claim that these things are hotter than hell... even xbitlab reviews show integrated graphics to run longer on laptops compared to discrete...

as long as it bashes any AMD crap in the market in terms of performance.... i can live with that...

dude... have you been reading the news a few months ago???

http://www.dailytech.com/Nehalem+Tapedout+and+Running+Wind ws/article8927.htm

Intel has already been taped-out!!! that news was last september.

Taped-out - it means that engineering samples or prototypes have already been sent to their fabs for validation and testing. After validation and testing, their foundries are re-fitted for production...

-.-

i read that, but appartently i totally forgot about it ... my bad

though that leave us waiting for:
-integrated graphics
-pci-e 2.0 support

you might be in for a surprise!

maybe they just didn't announce it during the tapeout. remember once a chip has been sent for validation, the only tweaking they can make to is refining their production process and initial clock speed. And, its unlikely that they are going back to the drawing boards.