In your article on the Athlon 64 3200+, you said,

"In fact, Athlon 64 has no front side bus at all. The memory controller is integrated into the CPU and works at the full core frequency. The chipset is connected with the CPU via the Hyper-Transport bus working at 800MHz."

When you refer to the "chipset," do you mean the memory controller?

If you do, and the controller is cast on a separate die (but in the same package), then doesn't that mean the effective FSB cannot exceed 800MHz for now?

At the same time, wouldn't 800MHz be capable of controlling "DDR1600"?

Get informed, go to www.amd.com
They have PDF docs about the architecture.
Read them...Seek and you shall find.

I dont know why these sites review the real AMD processors with the yet fiction P4 EE, isn't the P4EE just dream for now, you can not buy it? Right?
Or it's just there because Intel want it to be there just because their processors doesnt look to bad, like lose almost all the benchmarks. And to fool the basic users thinking Intel is still the "king". How many persons know what is a P4EE ???

Nice review but as always seeing Quake or Unreal in the game benchmark suite makes my shiver. For goodness sake start using some new benchmarks, not the same old #¤)(=#! These benchmarks have been around so much and messed so much with that they hold no value any more.

1) Not one word on heat in the review!
2) Overclock, that's a 17% overclock on stock cooling and that's not bad at all, just about what any P4 3GHz OCs. No comment on how the speed scales with increased clock. But I guess even for "objective" reviewers like yourself AMD has to double what Intel does to be considered equal.
3)No comment on the fact that in most synthetic benchmarks the P4 would come on top but the more refrence in reality the benchmark has the Athlon64 would do better. I found this an extremely interesting point and to the Athlons credit.
4)I liked the comment about the predicted future of the Socket 754 as a budge solution and I agree. Next year this transition will occur.
5)Not one word on how much better purchase the Athlon64 is over any Pentium4 out there or the coming Emergency Edition P4. Athlon64 will run WinXP 64 that's shipping first half 2004 and I find this an extremely important thing to consider in the purhcase.

Overall a medicore review, the fancy layout does not represent the quality of the content of the site. Seen several comments about fanboyism and this site in the same sentance, not sure how true that is but there are several factors in this review that I don't understand how they got left out.

Simon

Have to agree on the comment of the presence of a NON purchasable CPU in the review. Review what you can buy not what's coming in a months time or next year. Do another review when the damn thing is the shops.

Simon

I Also think it's lame to include a processor that no one can buy at the moment. It seems that intel muscles is showing up everywhere. And it'll be at least honest to mention that the P4 EE will be much much more expensive than the Athlon 64 when or if the P4 EE gets launched.

I think AMD should do the same thing, just send some samples around for a Athlon 64 FX 53 or 55 while it won't be launched for a while.

"I think AMD should do the same thing, just send some samples around for a Athlon 64 FX 53 or 55 while it won't be launched for a while. "
Well hate to bring it to you but AMD did paper launch this product 2 months before it was coming out .. not to mention that this CPU is about 6 months late ... o well who wants to talk abou that right?
Other issue is that is you want to compare new technology why are you ( AMD fanBOY club) testing a P4 ( 3-4 year old design) with a brand new design and still brag about it .... its like comparing a K6 with a P4 NW.
But then again this site is known to be a AMD fan club ... go fugure!

amd rules

LOL HAHAHAH.. 3 4 year old design.. give me a break.. every design takes from another.. finish highschool before you start posting

hmmm .. thats right ..... P4=P3!!!!! here you go highschool boy ....
Ask your mommy for a 64bit chip that has no software supporting it than winxp for Xmas!! and the good part is that u have to pay extra for it ;)

Why do you compare a Intel Emergency Edition to the Athlon FX when it is not even available? Since when do we compare paper launched parts with actual hardware? Why not a P4 3200 VS a Athlon FX running at 2 GHZ...It's giving Intel 1000 MHZ, basically one hand is tied, is that not fair enough for the NUMBER 1 chip maker and stealer of human souls. Could we please state what the price WILL be of the non existent P4 ee.... $925.00 that's right baby, you to can have a piece of obsolescence for the low low price of $925.00 But don't even think of buying Win XP 64 cause you are screwed. THANKS INTEL FOR FINALLY MAKING IT SO OBVIOUS WHY AMD FANS HATE YOU. YOU RIP PEOPLE OFF AND IDIOTS ARE STILL WILLING TO GIVE YOU THERE MONEY....

haha AMD rocks

Intel looses this one i think. AMD kicks A:0

Is The AMD Processor faster than the Pentium? and which is the better buy?!

can you tell me in detail how you were able to clock your cpu to 2340? I also have the ASUS K8V Deluxe Mobo and the 3200+ Athlon 64 so can you give me a list of changes you did so I can try them out i.e front side bus freq. core and v link voltages memory volt >> any help will do thanks

hey, if the HTT is only 200mhz, i thought it goes up to 1600mhz ?

ok so as stated if it's true that the AMD64 3200+ boasts a 1mb L2 cache then how come everywhere I go to purchase one they rate it at 512kb cache?

How do I access the page entitled "CPU-Z" on my XP PRO system , please ?

This particular configuration is the worse I have encountered yet. Minimal overclocking and no long term stability. This system was overclocked to 2349 and left to itself for a few weeks. The OS gradually went south and had to be re-installed. Overclockers beware of the 754 pin out systems. AMD has pretty much reached the end of this fab. Buy 939 pin out. There is probably lots of overhead there.

Thanks a lot for the info. I am using both the AMD Athlon 64 3200+ as well as the K8V motherboard, and I had always wondered why the fsb was running at "200mhz". I love computers and I decided to go with AMD mainly because i heard that it beats INTEL when it comes to running single applications. Being a gamer, AMD sounded like a nice change over INTEL. Thanks again.