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Sauron_Daz
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In this case that doesn't matter. What's the use of an interface if you can't use it?
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| Sauron_Daz wrote: |
| In this case that doesn't matter. What's the use of an interface if you can't use it? |
If you just take a second and realise something about this thing we earthlings like to call time.. change doesn't happend in an instance, but once a small ammount of time f.ex. say 1 quarter of a year has passed.. then there will likly be plenty of products for those that want to have and hold them in their grubby little hands 
This interface is way overdue according to my personal wants of such an interface, so im very happy that this interface is finally coming to fruitation 
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Absolutley, and once they can be actually used, I'll get a system equipped with them, probably at a lower price then right now.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Silver wrote: |
| If you just take a second and realise something about this thing we earthlings like to call time.. change doesn't happend in an instance, but once a small ammount of time f.ex. say 1 quarter of a year has passed.. then there will likly be plenty of products for those that want to have and hold them in their grubby little hands |
1Q?
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| This interface is way overdue according to my personal wants of such an interface, so im very happy that this interface is finally coming to fruitation |
What do you need it for then? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you need it for then? |
If you ever move around large files between USB2 harddrives you know..
Sure I could bought FW800 or perhaps esata, but why should I have to do that?
USB3 is the better choise here, since its backwards compatible with 99.9 % of computers out there.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Silver wrote: |
| Shades wrote: |
| What do you need it for then? |
If you ever move around large files between USB2 harddrives you know..
Sure I could bought FW800 or perhaps esata, but why should I have to do that?
USB3 is the better choise here, since its backwards compatible with 99.9 % of computers out there. |
Interesting point of view. I have an external HD enclosure that has both eSATA and USB2 (which is probably the most common configuration if one has eSATA at all). So, for myself and any other eSATA ports out there, I can use eSATA speeds, which is more than sufficient for external HDs at this time. For compatibility, there is USB2. Now, if you buy a USB3 enclosure, you have no backwards compatibility advantage and the number of USB3 ports at this time is very few indeed, so you can use it at USB3 speeds, giving you no real advantage over eSATA, but I have a much better chance of finding an eSATA port elsewhere than you have of finding a USB3 port elsewhere. Many (but not all, unfortunately) desktops and notebooks are currently shipping with eSATA ports. I have more than one eSATA port in my household and surely you don't think that I am going to upgrade everything when USB3 arrives, plus I sometimes use it elsewhere, so the best that I could do (possibly) is the next time I buy such an external enclosure to buy a dual eSATA/USB3 enclosure. Plus ca change (except that such enclosures will initially be more expensive that dual eSATA/USB2 enclosures).
Now, it is not just external HDs. As I said earlier in the thread, many external devices present themselves as mass-storage devices because it is often just a case of file transfer. If, I were buying, say, a HD video recorder at this time, I'd really much rather have dual eSATA/USB2 interfaces than a single USB3 interface.
All in all, since we already have eSATA and Intel seems to be in no hurry to push USB3, I reckon adoption is going to be quite slow. Add to that the prospect of Light Peak, which will be able to handle several high-bandwidth datastreams simultaneously, offering a real reduction in the number of cables, then you can imagine why I am in no hurry to buy a USB3 equipped motherboard. If the price is low enough the next time I buy a motherboard, then I will, but I'm more excited about Light Peak.
You know, if the reports are true that Intel won't offer chipset support for USB3 until 2011, with optical breathing down its neck, we might one day be laughing at USB3 as the interface that offered too little, too late, because people spend too much time in a committee talking about it instead of doing it. |
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| Whatever AMD does, it is really Intel chipset support that counts the most |
sort of in regards to mainstream adoption but it would be a huge feather in AMD's cap to get it out first and grab early adoption.
USB 3.0 would be enough for me to move to AMD, Intel's superior CPU's are certainly nifty but USB 3.0 is to me at least 10 X more important.
I do large file transfers all the time.
a 16gb file transfer feels like it takes forever let alone the 640gb one going on right now.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| You don't have eSATA? I've had it for a long time already. |
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| You don't have eSATA? I've had it for a long time already. |
USB external hdd, customers and as usual glued together.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Shades wrote: |
| You don't have eSATA? I've had it for a long time already. |
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Nope no eSATA and no EFI and max 8GB RAM those are the bad things about my motherboard.. its a little surprising since it was not a cheap one.
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I'm more excited about SATA 3 than USB 3 right now.
Main reason being - storage densities are getting higher and higher with each passing year. And as we hit the multi Terabyte drives - SATA 2 just isn't going to cut it for fast file transfers.
On the horizon we can see many technologies - such as holographic disks, PCM RAM etc. that will no doubt require fast READ and WRITE performance. Inevitably - consumer devices such as flash drives, PDPs will hit the Terabyte scale... at which time a need for USB 3 or Light Peak (as Shades keeps mentioning) will be valid.
With that said - I feel a need to mention the following.
IT may be obvious to some BUT we should all realise at this stage of technological excellence, our Personal Computers are becoming Super Computer class.
Capable of many calculations associated with the sciences.
Hopefully, broadband speeds will increase faster with this digital boom.
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Hopefully the increased bandwith does not come at an increased proce..internetconnections are expensive enough as they are.
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/31/usb-3-0-and-sata-6g-put-to-good-use-benchmarks/
Further links to PCper and HotHardware.
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| Lucky for us, both sites' tests came to similar conclusions. The Seagate Barracuda XT SATA 6G drive has almost zero improvement over SATA 3G, other than in some burst speeds due to the fancy cache on the 6G -- the bottleneck here is the drive, not the controller. Meanwhile, USB 3.0 has speeds that are roughly 5 to 6 times faster than USB 2.0 with the same drive, a huge win for fans of external storage the world over. Perhaps even better news is that an ASUS US36 controller card with USB 3.0 and SATA 6G support is a mere $30, so this stuff is already basically within reach to the average desktop user. |
SATA 6Gb/s yields almost no improvement overall. Maybe upcoming SSDs can benefit from this. Also good to USB3.0 (A new major feature is the SuperSpeed bus, which provides a fourth transfer mode at 4.8 Gbit/s. The raw throughput is 4 Gbit/s, and the specification considers it reasonable to achieve 3.2 Gbit/s (0.4 Gbyte/s or 400 Mbyte/s) or more after protocol overhead.-Wikia) doing something.
See! I did put the units this time!! 
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Xer0 wrote: |
| Inevitably - consumer devices such as flash drives, PDPs will hit the Terabyte scale... at which time a need for USB 3 or Light Peak (as Shades keeps mentioning) will be valid. |
I don't think that it is likely that people will access terabytes of data via USB3. Verrrrry slow.
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| IT may be obvious to some BUT we should all realise at this stage of technological excellence, our Personal Computers are becoming Super Computer class. |
For me, the term 'supercomputer' implies something truly exceptional at the time in which it is built.
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Yeah a PC is not and can never be a supercomputer, even if it DOES have more processing power than a Cray XMP from the 1980s. A supercomputer pretty much has to run bespoke software and have processing power well beyond the average PC . . . and no cloud computing doesn't count either!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Shades wrote: |
| Xer0 wrote: |
| Inevitably - consumer devices such as flash drives, PDPs will hit the Terabyte scale... at which time a need for USB 3 or Light Peak (as Shades keeps mentioning) will be valid. |
I don't think that it is likely that people will access terabytes of data via USB3. Verrrrry slow.
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| IT may be obvious to some BUT we should all realise at this stage of technological excellence, our Personal Computers are becoming Super Computer class. |
For me, the term 'supercomputer' implies something truly exceptional at the time in which it is built. |
I don't disagree.
But take into consideration that people are all ready doing this with external USB 2 storage drives.
Ofcourse - that's a completely different kettle of fish to something like a PDP right 
Lightpeak or better, would be ever so convenient.
With regard to Super computing - while that holds true.
The general public now have supercomputing technology that would fill an entire room about 5 years ago... give or take - in the package of a single or multi-gpu card etc.
Nvidia Tesla?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think that it is likely that people will access terabytes of data via USB3. Verrrrry slow. |
Take off your sunglasses for a while
WD just launched a 4 TB mybook.. (2x2TB)
Why wouldn't people access external HDD's with USB3 ?
Im already having multiple TB's on USB2.
I agree that moving file between USB2 drives is slow..
But if USB3 is 10x faster it will be fine for most people.
Sure I wouldn't mind having something like an external HDD with Lightpeak and USB3 for backward compatibility.. but what is the eta for this new tech ??
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Shades wrote: |
I don't think that it is likely that people will access terabytes of data via USB3. Verrrrry slow. |
Take off your sunglasses for a while
WD just launched a 4 TB mybook.. (2x2TB)
Why wouldn't people access external HDD's with USB3 ?
Im already having multiple TB's on USB2.
I agree that moving file between USB2 drives is slow..
But if USB3 is 10x faster it will be fine for most people.
Sure I wouldn't mind having something like an external HDD with Lightpeak and USB3 for backward compatibility.. but what is the eta for this new tech ?? |
lol....sorry.....I was thinking of something 2 or 3 orders of magnitude bigger for some reason (perhaps because I've being talking about 'terascale computing' lately...where that is nothing in terms of storage), but even 2TB is indeed 'terabytes of data'.
As for Light Peak, I see the initial application as more combining various protocols on a single cable, although using the entire bandwidth for a single connection is, of course, feasible.
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With regard to Super computing - while that holds true.
The general public now have supercomputing technology that would fill an entire room about 5 years ago... give or take - in the package of a single or multi-gpu card etc.
Nvidia Tesla? |
While it is true that, say Fermi, will have a reasonable amount of DP FLOPS (which can be regarded as impressive in such a small package), don't forget that supercomputing is really often more about solving large problems, like attempting to predict the weather, for which one needs huge amounts of everything. For example, huge amounts of memory (bandwidth) and huge amounts of storage (bandwidth) are often just as important as the DP FLOPS that get a computer on (eg.) the TOP500 list. People may think that they have large amounts of such things in their PCs and indeed they do in percentage terms compared to years ago, but in the bigger scheme of things, that is like calling a drop of water a water hazard. |
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Just a heads up the first USB3 flashdrive is coming this december from Super Talent.
More info @ DailyTech
Super Talent STU32GSSK 32GB SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Drive
Super Talent STU64GSSK 64GB SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Drive
Super Talent STU28GSSK 128GB SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Drive
no word on price yet.
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| Not quite sure what the figures mean in practice, but it seems that the UAS protocol can make quite a difference. |
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