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Microsoft Advices to Avoid Integrated Graphics Cores for Windows Vista.

Microsoft Urges to Buy Standalone Graphics Cards

[08/05/2005 04:56 AM]
by Anton Shilov

The ongoing trend towards integrated graphics cores in office and home personal computers may soon slowdown, as Microsoft recommends those, who would like to install Windows Vista, to get standalone graphics cards due to their higher performance when rendering graphics user interface (GUI) of the upcoming operating system (OS).

“The new graphics capabilities in Windows Vista will require a powerful graphics engine if you want to take full advantage of all the new and cool stuff, such as the new Aero Glass look. You probably want to avoid the low-end of the current GPU range and make sure you get a GPU that supports DirectX 9 and has at least 64MB of graphics memory,” a special article by Microsoft dedicated to hardware requirements of Windows Vista explains.

Windows Vista Aero Glass, Aero Express and Diamond themes (interfaces) use DirectX 9.0 pixel shaders to render the GUI and everything on the screen. This puts pretty high requirements for graphics processor used for rendering, as rapid appearance of dialog boxes and windows is crucial for comfortable and fast work of a user. Given that graphics cores integrated into chipsets generally provide relatively slow performance under substantial workloads, Microsoft seems to be correct in advising customers not to expect those to be sufficient choice for Windows Vista.

It should be noted that DirectX 9.0-supporting graphics card with 64MB of memory is an entry-level of Microsoft’s recommendations, which means that higher-end graphics cards are preferable for the Vista’s advanced interfaces, such as Aero Glass, Aero Express and Diamond.

“If you chose a system that has built-in graphics, again make sure that the system has a PCI Express or AGP slot that will let you add a graphics card later in case the onboard graphics chipset doesn't fully support Windows Vista,” Microsoft advices.

Still, Microsoft’s Vista will have a cut-down version of its interface in order to support notebook computers that do not tend to have high-end graphics, as more advanced GPU means shorter battery life. At this point Microsoft has not yet made its mind about the range of supported mobile graphics solutions as well as minimal graphics chips required, so, customers looking towards Windows Vista should look at machines with more or less advanced visual processing units by companies like ATI Technologies or NVIDIA Corp.

Other recommendations Microsoft gives about the hardware that provides adequate user experience with Vista include a 64-bit capable chip from upper end of the processor spectrum of AMD or Intel, 1GB of memory; a Serial ATA HDD with 7200rpm motor, 8MB cache and Native Command Queuing; a DVD±RW optical drive; in addition, Microsoft recommends rapid networking technologies – 54Mbps or 100Mbps to be supported by a PC that runs Windows Vista.

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Oooh. "all the new and cool stuff" surely makes we wanna pay lots of $$$ for a new, power-hungry, noisy graphics card instead of the integrated passive graphics core which does what I need it to.

[Posted by: usn@altern.org | Date: 08/05/05 07:28:58 AM]

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Microsoft says:

"Stop buying Intel integrated graphics because we want to be the only company that as a Monopoly in the world"

[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/05/05 07:57:52 AM]

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+ expand thread (2 answers)

Integrated Graphics is rubbish anyway
If you're after a cheap but capable graphics card that supports DX9c then how about a PCI-Express 6200 TC 256MB for $59

[Posted by: RAISTLIN | Date: 08/05/05 09:20:01 AM]

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TC 256 only has 16 or 32 or some other low amount of RAM onboard. It uses the remaining 256MB from the system (memory).

[Posted by: MonkRX | Date: 08/05/05 11:10:23 AM]

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That is correct MonkRX the 6200 TC-64 256MB is equipped with 64MB of 64bit DDR-550, and during 3D it allocates another 192MB of system RAM to the video card
The 6200 TC-32 128MB is equipped with 32MB of 64bit DDR700 and allocates another 96MB of system RAM during 3D

But since we're talking about inbuilt video, let's compare with Intel's GMA 950, the most powerful inbuilt solution to date which utilises upto 224MB of system RAM

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=3

[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/945g%20graphics_0523 0550547/7507.png[/img]

[Posted by: RAISTLIN | Date: 08/05/05 09:07:28 PM]

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What are you talking about? ATI’s Xpress 200 is more powerful than Intel's GMA 950, which is shown by the link you provided.

Think of all the windows licenses running on computers used in government and corporations not dealing with computer graphics (i.e. 99.9...% of them). How many of these do you think have integrated graphics? Almost all, because that is all they need. Just the thought that a few percent of these will buy e.g. the 6200TC must make nvidia really excited, because the market is huge.

[Posted by: usn@altern.org | Date: 08/07/05 05:53:50 AM]

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Ooops, meant to say Intel GMA 950 INTEL'S most powerful inbuilt solution to date

Regardless

A 6200 TC 32/64 still railroads the ATI Xpress 200
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=2
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=3
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=4

Inbuilt video is evil, it was released under the guise of being used to lower the price of office computers which needed little [or rather no] 3d acceleration but it has ended up being used in most pre-built PCs in order to screw more money out of consumers who don't know enough about computers

[Posted by: RAISTLIN | Date: 08/07/05 08:37:04 PM]

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But people like me want integrated graphics; it's the final user that doesn’t know what he wants to buy, or the retailer (computer seller) that doesn’t inform the people correctly. It has nothing to do with what you have just said.

Besides people go for cheap Dell/HP/... system, what do they expect Geforce's 6600GT inside?

[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/08/05 02:42:52 AM]

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I, as an OEM system buyer will not upgrade the PC graphics card just because a new OS requires it, I bet the OS will work OK in 2D mode (like XP without the themes), it's not because the OS is 3D the user will do more or less work.

However new PC's will be sure be bought with 3D capability. ATI’s Xpress 200 looks the best right now. If there isn’t premium cost Turbo cache/Hyper memory looks good to.

[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/08/05 02:38:27 AM]

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The interesting part for me was at the end, where they talk about processors. There they recomend a "64-bit capable" processor. Sounds like a really good hint that Longhorn will be fully available in a 64-bit version, or there will be a unified version that works with 32 or 64 bit processors (even better).

[Posted by: Random | Date: 08/05/05 11:39:44 AM]

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This isn't going to be good for the laptop market... currently there are practically no upgradeable separate graphics systems available that aren't in the stratosphere.

Could slow down sales as we get closer to Vista release (which admittedly is a LONG ways away)

$.02

[Posted by: Anemone | Date: 08/05/05 06:03:48 PM]

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i need this vista

[Posted by: kiran | Date: 08/05/05 09:34:10 PM]

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the Microsoft Article link for Harware Req. seems to be broken :(

[Posted by: Athlon™ eX | Date: 08/05/05 09:37:32 PM]

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DDASDSADA

[Posted by: DDDDDSD | Date: 08/06/05 04:02:18 AM]

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yeah, I wanna buy an expensive video card just to run windows, thank you microsoft

[Posted by: Makere | Date: 08/06/05 05:56:56 AM]

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10.

Just remember folks, Vista will be filled with wonderful DRM technologies. Such include that you require to buy a whole new monitor and possibly video card to view high quality "content protected" video.

If you bend over for Vista, then you might as well give all the money you make to the RIAA and MPAA right now. Better yet, you deserve to be owned by them for the rest of your life.

With Vista, your freedom to view anything you want on your PC will be thrown out the window. It becomes the issue of they control your PC. (The PC you paid with your hard-earned cash for!)

Don't believe?

Well, just go ahead and buy Vista when the retail one is released...But don't start complaining if some of the videos you download causes your display to go blank. (Because that's DRM kicking in).

Microsoft wants you to upgrade for a reason.
(Realise what's really going on before its too late.)

Have a good look before you buy Vista (when it hits retail)

The Clicker: Microsoft’s OPM for the masses
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000143050582/

Output Content Protection and Windows Longhorn
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/output_protect .mspx

[Posted by: 22 | Date: 08/06/05 07:03:58 AM]

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11.

Why does Microsoft have to suck resources like they cost nothing? You will likely need 2GB of ram to play games and a high end 256MB or 512MB video card. That stuff ain't cheap. Screw you Microsoft.

[Posted by: colonel_j2020 | Date: 08/08/05 08:00:53 AM]

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12.

Reminds me of the days of the Windows 2.11 to Windows 3.0 transition when conspiracy theorists espoused: "Ooo, those tiled windows, what do I need them for??? This is just a plot to force me to buy an EGA video card."

:)

[Posted by: Bugslayer | Date: 08/08/05 11:37:55 AM]

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13.

The HCL becomes shorter and narrower; Very soon there will only be one Windows OS capable platform, and Apple will have more functional hardware choices than a PC.

[Posted by: Dictator Gates | Date: 08/15/05 03:47:21 AM]

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6:44 pm | Nvidia Wants Tegra System-on-Chip to Power Netbooks. Nvidia Aims Ultra Cheap Computers with Tegra

2:26 pm | Court: Rambus Intentionally Destroyed Documents Proving Its Unfair Intention to Patent Memory Technologies. Court Declares Rambus Patents in Suit Unenforceable in Micron Delaware Case

1:24 pm | One of the Top Four Mainboard Makers Will Leave the Market in Three Years – MSI. Vice President of MicroStar International Expects Dramatic Changes on Mainboard Market

8:50 am | Intel Demos Industry Support for Its Media Processor for TVs. Consumer Electronics Makers Show Interest in Internet Access Capabilities on TV-Sets

Thursday, January 8, 2009

10:29 pm | WirelessHD Consortium to Start Compliance Testing This Quarter, WiHD Products to Emerge in 2009. WiHD Comes Closer as Electronics Makers Gear Up for Compliance Tests

10:12 pm | AMD Cuts Price of ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 Graphics Card. ATI Reduces Pricing of Flagship Graphics Card to $449

3:04 pm | Sony Releases Its First Netbook Computer – Vaio P-Series. Sony Launches World’s Slimmest Notebook

11:44 am | Skype Enables VoIP Service on Hundreds of Mobile Phones. Skype Now Available for Java, Android Handset Platforms

9:27 am | AMD Lets the Dragon Out, Releases Phenom II Processors . AMD Intros Its Fastest Desktop Microprocessor Ever with the Phenom II Launch

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